A Film at 45 - Halloween

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to
the year nineteen seventy eight and a Film

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buys limited series A film at forty
five. I am David Burns and I'm

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Scott Hoffman, and we're dusting off
the end of a decade that changed cinema

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forever with a fresh look at modern
classics and hidden gems we can't stop watching,

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even after forty five years after their
debut. In this episode, we're

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honoring one of the greatest horror films
of all time, John Carpenter's Halloween.

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Guys, you Gonna Get You.
A Boogeyman is coming. Michael Meyers is

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the most dangerous patient I have ever
Aisod was scared him. He can't kill

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the Boogeyman. Well, we aren't
definitely celebrating another classic today in my personal

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favorite horror film of all times.
But before we get into that, we

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have a special guest with us today. We have musician and horror model Chad

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Cochrane. Chad, welcome, Thank
you, thank you. I appreciate this.

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I'm looking forward to this. It's
gonna be a lot of fun.

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It is, and I'm really excited
to have you. Um. I'm Chad

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has joined me in a few photo
films that we have shot over the last

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few years. He's had the pleasure
of portraying the shape and Jason Vorhees for

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me. Yep, and he's done. He's done some of the music for

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me, which is quite spectacular.
I might da thank you. You're seeing

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each of those and you guys do
an amazing job with that. Those are

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thank you fantastic. It's Chad.
He brings that presence. Man, It's

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it's easy to photo somebody who knows
what they're doing. Yep, Channel in

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two. My sick mind. Hey, whatever works, it's what I want

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to say. All right, Well, Scott and Chad, let's talk about

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the night he came home. At
one time it was going to be called

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The Babysitter Murders, but it would
quickly be changed into the name that would

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start the slasher genre that we know
today. Scott, I'm sure everybody in

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this road has probably seen this movie
or knows about this movie. But just

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in case they are, Chuck Nolan
on the Island and Castaway, how would

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you describe this movie to somebody?
Well, it's really interesting because when I

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was coming up with how to kind
of talk about it, it was very

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tempting to mention Michael Myers, to
mention the characters so iconic to this kind

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of stuff, So trying to step
back and talk about the movie in general

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for somebody who's never heard of that, we don't want to kind of have

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that association. I would say death
has come back to the little town of

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Haddonfield, Illinois on Halloween Night.
It's been several years since a brittle murder

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shook up their quiet streets when a
boy with a vacant expression killed his sister

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in cold blood after spending his life
institutionalized. The escapes and finds his way

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home him to continue his rampage,
the other one standing his way, or

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the doctor who tried to keep him
contained, and a babysitter left to defend

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herself and the kids in her care. All of this takes place on one

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fateful night that gives a new face
to horror and a new name to dread,

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and a tiny independent movie that becomes
that became the godfather of all slasher

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movies. It's time to go back
where it all began with the original Halloween.

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Good good job, ched. Do
you remember seeing this for the first

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time? Gosh, when I was
younger, I remember seeing bits and pieces

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of it on TV, and I
was kind of a late bloomer. I

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was all about Jason Borhi's growing up
and was watching all those and didn't know

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that much about Halloween other than it
existed. And then I got to late

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high school in early college and I
sat down and finally paid attention to it

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as I was getting into film school
stuff. And then I was like,

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oh, yeah, this is this
is why. This was done amazingly and

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it was the first one and it
set the tone and many could not follow

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it what it did. Yeah,
they tried, but they didn't. No.

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No, yeah, Scott, what
about you do you remember seeing this

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for the first time. I'm right
there with Chad. I was a late

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bloomer. I was introduced to this
in my Sun Coast days. Believe that,

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um, it really wasn't in my
radar. I was a nightmare in

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Elm Street Guy and I knew of
it, but didn't really have any kind

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of reason to watch it until there
was some kind of because we couldn't watch

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it in store obviously, um,
some kind of party something that where you

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know, everybody's sitting down to watch
Halloween, and I could automatically see why

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it was a classic. It's it
was a lot of fun to watch,

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especially with a crowd that's already seen
it for a long time. But to

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be the new guy that had never
seen a bore it was a great experience.

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Yeah, absolutely for me. It
was a little bit later too,

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Um Friday the thirteenth. The original
was always my first raided horror movie that

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I had seen, which was my
introduction to horror movies. But I saw

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Halloween I would probably say late eighties, maybe early nineties, and as soon

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as I saw it, I knew
that was gonna be my favorite horror film

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of all times, and sure enough, it still holds to this day as

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my favorite. I mean, as
soon as the movie starts, you get

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the incredible music by John Carpenter,
and we'll talk about that a little bit

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later when we talk about the score. But as soon as you hear that

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music, you know what you're in
for. I mean, it just sets

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the mood immediately, right, Yeah. And I mean, so you open

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on a completely black screen with the
credits that start slowly and then the Jack

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Lanard kind of like flickering in the
side. Obviously we'll talk about the score

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later, Yeah, but I bring
that up because you know, for me

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and Chat, I would be interested
to hear. You know, I had

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already grown up with Nightmare on Ums
and a lot of the slasher genre was

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kind of own at that point,
so it was a lot of in your

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face kind of thing about like ratching
it up to the bigger kill. But

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then with Halloween, it was atmosphere
absolutely darkness. It was silence. It

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was long shots of the shape,
not something that in your face or kind

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of wearing an iconic mask of you
already kind of used to so it was

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very different, oppressive fresh air.
Yeah, yeah, definitely that once I

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finally turned back because I think the
movie I grew up on was Friday the

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Thirteenth, part six. They got
me into all the slasher genre and stuff,

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And then I went back and watched
Halloween, and I was like,

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where when did they lose that?
Like the atmosphere of the brooding that everything

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was focused on gore. It seemed
like in the later eighties, how nasty

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can we make this and get shock
value from that instead of focusing more on

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like the filmmaking aspects of the dark
foreboding, Like when they did that shot

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of him, that face just appearing
in the darkness, perfect, just stunning.

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Yeah, it was just just a
masterpiece of filmmaking and then using the

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steadicams to hurry up because they only
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Yeah, it's great. I think
this this was this the first movie that

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used a steadicam. Was this the
introduction? I not sure if it was

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the first, but it had to
be pretty early. It was pretty close

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if it wasn't, because as if
for anybody who's seen it, you know,

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it opens up on that POV of
a six year old Michael. You

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know, you don't see six year
old Michael, you just see the POV

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until it later on. But um, you just follow his POV all the

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way through the house, you know, until he kills his sister, you

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know, and then when he comes
out of the house, you get that

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really cool what I call a posing
shot where you know, the father rips

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off the mask and then the camera
just slowly pulls back and like nobody's moving.

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It's just a complete pose. I
love that shot, I really really

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do. And they recaptured it with
Halloween Kills. When they recaptured Michael in

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that flashback scene, you remember that. I loved how they recapture that because

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it was such a good throwback to
the original. Yeah, definitely. So

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well, before we really get moved
on to talk about the movie more in

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depth, because I know we all
have a lot to talk about, let's

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talk a little bit about the cast
itself. Let's talk about the scream queen

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herself, the one who started it
all, the one that everybody has to

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live up to when they're making a
horror film, And of course that's Jamie

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Lee Curtis, who plays Laurie Strode. Incredible actress. Very early in her

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career. I know, she did
some television work right before this, so

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this was like her introduction into motion
pictures. And we all know she had

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a very famous mother, right exactly. Yeah, so you know, she

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herself had a little bit to live
up to because of what her mother had

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done on the big screen. And
I think she pulled her off easily.

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Oh yeah, absolutely. And I
think, you know, I'm not really

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familiar with a lot of them the
horror genre that kind of preceded this,

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but her character was very refreshing because
it was somebody who was kind of standing

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up and fighting back, not necessarily
you know, yeah, just throwing their

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hands up and taking yeah, fighting
back. Yeah, yeah, I mean,

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and she had a mission. She
had a mission of protecting those kids

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and kind of offending herself. And
she was a very smart character, so

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to have her kind of kick that
off as you know, terms like scream

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queen and final Girl, things like
that. Um, I think she really

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set a stage for a lot of
those it came to follow without a doubt.

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Yeah, yeah, definitely, And
she pulled off that mouseie awkward and

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social situations but still tough. Yeah, tough leading lady when it mattered.

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Yeah, you didn't get that kind
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You cared about who he was after
in the first movie. Later on a

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lot of the Friday the thirteenth,
here's the fodder for this exact place.

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That's kind of yeah, and these
these mattered. Yeah, I was interested

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in every one of these characters,
even the boyfriends that showed up. Yeah,

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yeah, I completely agree with that, you know. And even we

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have to talk about mister Donald Pleasance, who played doctor Loomis in this.

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I don't see anybody else in the
role except for Donald Pleasance. This was

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my introduction to this actor was Halloween. I didn't know much about him.

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I know he had a gigantic body
of work before Halloween. Because a matter

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of fact, I don't think he
really even wanted this part at first,

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because I know after I saw this, I saw him as Blowfield and you

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only live twice, So this is
kind of my introduction to him. But

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when I look at it now,
and we'll get to it and what ifs

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too, because I know they consider
some other actors for doctor Loomis, no

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one else would have done a job, good enough job as he did.

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No way. I think he did
a great job of having kind of that

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exactly the kind of presence that he
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the only person that was really aware
of what was going on. Obviously,

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he had been so close to Michael
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every day since to try to figure
and keep him from getting out because he's

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possible, right, It's kind of
surprising that nobody else in his practice or

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anything else like that also knew and
might kind of sound some alarms or something.

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But having him be that kind of
very focused, he had exactly the

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presence that he need. Yeah,
he pulled off that. I tried to

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help this child I realized I couldn't. Now I got to keep him away

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from everybody in the terminal seriousness that
went with that. And I remember one

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scene where he just commanded presence too, was when he was talking to the

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sheriff and he said, well,
well, we're going to do that,

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and he basically he said, no, you're not. You're gonna do what

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I tell you to do. Yeah, and that's how it is. And

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the sheriff was taken aback by it, but then was like okay and just

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followed suit like he was that commanding
presence in that role. Yeah, just

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like Scott said, I mean,
Loomis knew the evil this guy was.

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Nobody else was prepared to for this
guy except for Loomis. I mean he

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I think he even mentioned when they're
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the beginning um, that they were
going to take him to, you know,

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in front of the judge because basically
they don't want him to get out,

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and they he told the nurse to
how much was it? What was

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the medicine that he was going to
get that they were going to give him

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Laura Zen or something like that,
But like she said that that's going to

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put him like almost in a column. He's like, that's exactly what I

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want. He knew what was what
was necessary and what they were kind of

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dealing with. Ye that it wasn't
somebody who could with it was kind of

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interesting how many kind of how that
path kind of meandered a little bit um

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with going to like the cemetery and
things like that. Right, there were

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some moments where I was like,
why are you doing this? You know

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that he's in that stolen car.
At least quiet apb for that stolen car,

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because he's seen most of the movie
by just like touring the town with

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it next to a school to stalk
Tommy on his way out of school.

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It's kind of like it's right there. Yeah, but I think that answered

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the creepiness of all of it.
Yeah, you know, you get this

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guy who just is a master murderer
wandering around here. Yeah, he totally

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oblivious. He's just got a one
track mission, one track mind, and

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that's all that matters exactly. He's
very much a machine. Yeah, when

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you think about it like that is
Yeah. Well, let's talk about the

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couple of friends that where with Laurie
Strode. Nancy Loomis, who played Annie.

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She had already worked with Carpenter in
seventy six and Asault on Precinct thirteen.

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She would go on later do The
Fall two with him, So she

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was already what I like about directors. If you get someone who worked really

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well with you, you're gonna keep
pulling and project a project because that's just

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the way it works. You love
working with them. You know they're talented,

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and you're gonna keep bringing them on, you know. Um. PJ

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Souls as Linda Um. She had
worked with Branda Palma in Carrie in nineteen

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seventy six, and Carpenter wrote the
role of Linda for PJ. Souls totally

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so Um and these two ladies and
even even whole short, all three ladies,

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like you believed they were going to
school together. Their chemistry was so

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good, like they're they're they're joking
with one another, they're playing around.

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You know, it was perfect.
You felt they were in high school together

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and grew up together, giving each
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on Laurie. You could tell that
they loved her, but they knew she

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was kind of a recluse and they
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about it, and I thought they
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yeah, I agree. And and
all of their deaths I thought were

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fantastic, really really well done.
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later once we get done with asking
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we're all like probably to talk about
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talking about the friends. Like.
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pulling the strands that connect to this
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right, yeah, so and so
is it this house working? They live

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down the street, they have to
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those kind of connections which really comes
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at a window across the street to
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into the house and things like that. That was that was a very smart

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thing to do to kind of establish
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men in different places, but still
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kind of like mapping the path that
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but the way this was made,
the way this is directed, this could

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happen any small town. Yeah.
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like it doesn't. I mean,
there's a lot of seventies things about it,

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but um, when I first saw
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it's late seventies, early eighties,
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back to that time, and it
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can relate to in your own heard. Yeah, absolutely, I agree.

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he was in assault Precinct thirteen two
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the fog and escape from New York. Um. I thought he did a

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pretty good job. I still don't
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the window rolled down. I mean, come on, why they pull up

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to Dad, Why do you have
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that hardware store? You driven on
take a hard left? Now? Exactly

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why did that not? I don't
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oh, sorry, we didn't want
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were working like right, you had
so many options throughout straight there. Hello,

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there's my dad. Get rid of
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I'm gonna talk to him from the
driver's seat, so he has to come

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closer to the window. Yeah.
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the Shape himself. Um. I
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mainly by Nick Castle Um who was
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known as the Shape. Tony Moran
played unmasked Michael when Laurie ripped it off

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of him, got the brief glimpse
of his face. Um. I believe

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even Deborah Hill played the Shape in
one shot. Oh really, Yeah,

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it's the It's the shot when Tommy
looks out the window for the first time

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it looks across the street and you
see Michael just standing there next to the

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house. That is Debor Hill.
I'll be daring. Just they had,

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hey, we need this one more
shot. Yeah, Nix gone, could

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you just put this on quick?
Exactly? Yeah. I think it was

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something like that. I don't know
all the details, but yeah, it

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was similar to that. Nick wasn't
around and they needed somebody to don in

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the outfit, and it was such
a distant shot that you really put the

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counter exactly, which I thought that
was kind of cool. So it's cool.

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I mean, Debort even used her
hand as the six year old Michael

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when she was stabbing oh, his
sister. That was that was Deborath's hand

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because they didn't have the the the
young actor for that for those scenes.

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really neat. Ye. Well, it's

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interesting how that's kind of consistent,
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that, Yeah, by looking at
the scenes, right, you wouldn't.

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If you wouldn't, this kind of
that consistent kind of thing. And it's

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it's more than just kind of stand
there and look metting. Yeah, and

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see this is this is one of
the things that I think is left Hollywood

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the independent market still has. It
is the fact that like so many people

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and and and Scott you and I
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George Romero. You have so many
people who were filling in for two,

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three, four, five different roles
because the budget so small that you just

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have people just wanting to chip in
to do other parts, right, you

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know, and I you know,
big Hollywood movies just don't do that because

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you know, they just pay one
hundreds and thousands of people to be there

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to do it. But these small
independent films like Halloween, you know,

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I think that's what makes them even
more special. Yeah, because they're doing

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a lot with very little. Yeah, and they have to be engineers about

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it, right and and but they're
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would think. I think sometimes when
you get to these oh any more billion

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dollars stuff, it's like there's so
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don't know, I think it's lost
some of the like the passion about it.

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I completely at their point. It's
too much a studio wanting to turn

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a profit at that level. Yep. Ye, well, it adds more

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to the appreciate it afterward, second
or third viewing, No, when went

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into it, and it's you know, I've said it before, it's not

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about hiding the wires. It's making
people exactly Scott Yea and things like this.

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When you see the links that they
had to go to to get that

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done, it's not like it's like, oh, yeah, now I can

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see that, I can see you
know, the part sticking out of the

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wire that's kind of pulling this thing
or whatever. It still stays with you

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that but it just gives you another
a print. Yeah, and it's just

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great because that inspires other, especially
independent ones, to follow a suit with

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that. Right, it's not just
kind of like picking up on those gags

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that they've done before, but also
I want to be in that kind of

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where I'm able to come up with
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things from the beginning. But all
say, right, yeah, I completely

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agree. Yeah, it's at that
level. I remember when I was going

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to school for this stuff. These
were the movies that inspired me, the

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early Star Wars because he was seating
his pants, getting a lot of that

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done, things like that, and
especially this movie where he probably overpromised I

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think I'll do it in twenty days
and I'll give you a soundtrack three like

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yourself, right as wow, And
and he pulled it off, but I

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know he had to be just under
tremendous pressure the whole Oh there's no doubt,

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no doubt. Yeah, somebody handing
you that might suppose it three hundred

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and thirty thousand dollars. I think
it was the budget. Yeah, I

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think pleasant right yeah, um,
but yeah, let's go ahead and talk

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about the director. Um, you
know, we have to talk about him

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because of what the legend that man
is. And of course it's John Carpenter

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that we're talking about, you know, Scott, you and I talked about

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George Romero last time being the father
of zombies. Can we say Carpenters the

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father of flasher films? I think
we can. I think it's fascinating that

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he's so much. He is absolutely
what he's what he's done is to explore

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the use of atmosphere, the use
of tests of silence, the use of

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establishing a character from before getting into
the scary. But I think we see

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again in the Thing, right yeah, and in a lot of his other

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I think he absolutely kickstarted what somebody
can do with the slasher movie. I

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think he kicked off by giving that
kind of depth to it, Yeah,

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because it sets it apart from things
that may have come before. Oh there's

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the maniac that's coming after somebody the
first time. So when we I think

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the slasher as a character, right
yeah, when we had you know,

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in the eighties, the three names
that you would assume slashers, it's Freddy

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Kruer's and before that it was kind
of like, oh have you seen but

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not a Caroline and has its own
kind of outside of that. Yeah,

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I think it was a masterful creation
of this kind of genre and what it

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is. Yeah, he kind of
took some documentary I was watching just last

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night about it. He kind of
took that it was always castles and Dracula

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and werewolves and Transylvania a lot of
the time. Throughout the Fifth Arm,

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you still had invasion of bodies atchers
and stuff. But the way they were

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describing it, and I'm not totally
sure, but it sounds like a lot

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of the things were your typical castles
and vampires things at the time, And

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he took scary stories, put them
in your front yard and put them right

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in your living room. Yeah,
like he made your own house scary.

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And yeah, and and that I
don't think that had been really tried before.

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I guess Psycho was in a hotel. But it's just like, this

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is your neighborhood, this is happening
in This is a Midwest town where a

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majority of the country is. And
yeah, um there was an interesting thing

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that I saw about uh Ciskel and
Ebert. How um So when Jean first

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saw it at the local theater,
was so scared that he took a cab

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home. It was just a couple
of blocks away from the movie theater.

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Wow. When he got home,
he went to the shower and pulled the

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curtain back to see if you was
there. It's kind of like up in

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the next door. Yeah right,
Yeah, So much of the movie is

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that just kind of like looking out
the window, looking across the street,

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looking behind the bush, looking at
the guy's shoulder, like, yeah,

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they made a shoulder scary. It
goes back to what you said Scott earlier

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about you know, Carpenter is this
minimalist when it comes to his cinematography and

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his lighting. You know, I
know they didn't have a big budget,

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so they didn't have a big budget
for the lighting, but that worked in

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their favor in Halloween, you know, you get these really dark shadows,

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and what I loved about that too, and a lot of the newer horror

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movies, I think they're they're lighting
is just sometimes too bright or it's too

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dark. I like that that bluish
tent that we always got in like the

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seventies, you know what I'm talking
about, And Halloween had that, but

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you had those dark shadows where you
just barely get that light. In what

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Chad talked about where I think it
was Chad with the shot where Michael's face

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just comes out of the shadows.
Oh, it's perfect. You know they

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did that with a dimmer switch.
You know, he just comes out of

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the shadow and they just dimmed.
I mean they brightened the light a little

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bit just so his face would appear. That was a brilliant shot. Yeah,

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yeah, and just by using lighting
and darkness they made something that much

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earier. A white face appearing in
the middle of a dark doorway. Yeah,

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that was great. That's crazy.
But what I like about Carpenter too

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is did you guys know he grew
up in Bowling Green, Kentucky. No?

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Yeah, I didn't know. There's
so many from California and a lot

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of that time that you just assume
always probably from Hollywood. No, he's

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he's one of us from this area, you know, Kentucky. Wow,

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that kind of area, and one
of us. His father was a professor

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at Western Kentucky University. He's ahead
of the music department, so we can

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see where Carpenter got his talent for
the music. He would go on to

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USC Film School, which is I
did not know he had won an Academy

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Award for Best Short Subject in nineteen
seventy for the Resurrection of Bronco. Billy

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did not know that, so enjoying
my research, it's like, oh,

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congratulations, Carper, you deserve more
than one, but hey, I'm glad

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you got one. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, how he speaking of the

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Kentucky connection, the fact that the
film credits the Bowling Green Philharmonic Orchestra,

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even though I saw that's right last
night, and I was wondering about that,

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okay, and just like it's another
level of death, knowing that he

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composed the theme and so much of
this is music, Like the opening credits

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are scary. Oh yeah, it's
just a blinking pumpkin of words. I

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know, that ticking. It's almost
like a stopwatch kind of thing, or

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a metronome on acid like it for
it forces you. It forces you to

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come to the edge of your feet
because it gets your heart pumping. Just

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that music. You know, let's
go ahead and talk a little bit about

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it. You know. Um,
this movie was shown to some of the

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executives without that music, and they
were weird, like, oh man,

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we've got we've got a disaster on
our hands. You know this, this

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is not good at all. And
then he added that music, which we

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know today and love today. Anybody
who hears it knows exactly where it's from.

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Um, turn that movie completely around. It's just like Jaws. Yeah,

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I remember, I remember when Richard
Dreyfus showed a scene of Jaws one

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time. It's some kind of ceremony, and they did it without the music,

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and you're like, wow, this
is boring. But as soon as

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they added John Williams score, it
was a completely different film. And this

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is exactly the same way. You
know, without Carpenter's score, this would

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probably not be nearly as scary as
it is. But with that score,

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it's like, wow, it's the
pacing of the C two. Right,

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yeah, oh, absolutely, What
you're mentioning with Jaws is interesting. An

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interview where they were talking to Steven
Spielberg, John william John invited Stephen to

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his home to hear the theme that
he'd put together. H Spielberg thought he

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was joking because he was like,
I don't get this of the context film,

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right, Yeah. Yeah. With
this with Halloween, it's it's its

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own character and it very much kind
of like makes you afraid of the muse,

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makes you afraid of the sound.
Yeah, and uh, they're kind

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of an interesting parallel with the opening
credits where you get a distant shut of

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the pumpkin that eventually zumes way in
the same kind of thing happens with it

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in complexity. UM welds in volume
the same way that the movie itself does,

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and it's trying to kind of being
and it makes you want kind of

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scoop closer to the screen or kind
of like squint a little bit and look

408
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:37.160
at a little bit closer as you're
watching those to make the jump scares a

409
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:41.799
lot more effective. Absolutely, definitely. UM. I realized when I was

410
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:48.480
going to school for some of these
things that largely I loved movies and making

411
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.400
them, and I always had a
camcorder going my kid and stuff and using

412
00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:56.319
my Godzilla toys in a fake city. I loved all that stuff. But

413
00:28:56.440 --> 00:29:03.680
I realized when I was taking film
classes that more important to me than even

414
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:07.400
the shot composition. And I realized
how into the music I was, and

415
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:12.119
that actually was eighty percent of my
interest in movies at the time, and

416
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:15.680
I didn't realize it, and I
would hold in high regard all the composers

417
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:19.240
from the movies. Like I realized
I knew more about them than I did

418
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:23.960
directors. And then I just thought, wow, I may have stepped into

419
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:27.599
the wrong room. I don't know. I still finished it out, and

420
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:33.440
I know I loved it. But
something I learned last night digging around before

421
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:38.400
we talked today was he learned from
his dad on these two Tom drums that

422
00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:45.519
were given to him a beat that
was in five four time. Oh okay,

423
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.319
which when I was working on stuff
that ended up an immense pain in

424
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:55.079
the rear instead of four or four
time. But I learned He said that

425
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:56.759
he learned that on like these Tom
Tom drums, you play with your hands,

426
00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:00.000
and his dad was teaching him a
beat and teaching named time signatures and

427
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:03.519
gave him a weird one of five
four a time. He translated that to

428
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:10.880
piano and five four a time,
and now we have the Halloween themes.

429
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:15.519
Yeah, thanks dad, he said. He translated that, and he was

430
00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:19.200
very nonchalant about what he completed.
I think he made a masterpiece. And

431
00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:23.559
oh he did. Yeah, but
yeah, that's something he said and something

432
00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:26.960
I was watching last night and I
just thought I had no idea. Yeah,

433
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:32.480
that's that's something came from drums.
Yeah, and translated to piano.

434
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:38.960
Yeah, that's crazy, crazy,
Hello, it started with Bungos really well.

435
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:41.839
Put the new spin on it.
When you look at it now,

436
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:47.920
it doesn't it does now it's like
all of the now Sullers. I was

437
00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:49.920
kidding, but yeah, I was. I was very surprised to learn that.

438
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:53.880
But I could see when you experiment
with stuff why he would try.

439
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:56.559
So He's like, there's sometimes when
you're getting writer's block. I was like,

440
00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:00.759
I will take anything that sounds like
it's got a hook at this point,

441
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:03.759
and it took and it was great. I think that's one of the

442
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:08.920
things that really impresses me so much
is when a director stars in his movie

443
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:11.200
but also does the music. I
know he didn't start in this, but

444
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:15.920
I'm just saying it's it's you've got
to be a very talented individual for one

445
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.079
to be a director to pull off
a really well directed film, But when

446
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:22.880
a director puts himself in front of
the camera as he's directing, is even

447
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:27.359
harder. But to also do the
music on which it kind of goes hand

448
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:30.480
in hand, I guess because you
know the pacing of the film, you

449
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:34.240
know what you want, Because sometimes
it might be hard to explain that to

450
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:40.720
somebody. But for a director to
be able to pull off other jobs that

451
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:45.759
are just as complicated as directing is
really shows the impressiveness that John Carpenter has.

452
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:49.559
Yeah. When I first learned not
only did he write and direct it,

453
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:53.160
that he composed of music, I
was like, that is one talented

454
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:56.359
man, yeah, out there that
can pull all this off and a short

455
00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:00.799
amount of time. Too crazy.
Yeah, yeah, I know. And

456
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:04.240
you're going back to what Scott was
talking about, you know, the pacing

457
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:06.319
of the film, and you know, the editing of the film and stuff

458
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:08.160
like that. And I'll go ahead
and say it. One of my favorite

459
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:15.960
scenes in this movie is when Jamie
has fallen down the steps. She's running

460
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:19.640
out of the house. Michael is
getting out, is coming after her.

461
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:22.519
She races across the street, starts
pounding on the door to get in.

462
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.559
She's trying to get the keys,
She's trying to yell at the kids to

463
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:30.720
wake them up to unlock the door, all the meanwhile Michael slowly making his

464
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:37.279
way towards her. And then music
is just top notch. Right there,

465
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:39.279
If you are not on the edge
of your feet, there is something wrong

466
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:44.839
with you right there. Yeah,
that that whole moment that's captured musically and

467
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:47.440
visually where she's pounding on that door
and it's getting closer and closer and nothing

468
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:51.839
is changing in front of her.
Yeah, and it's it's it is the

469
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.680
nerve wracking. It is. I
don't care acting, the music, the

470
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:59.799
directing, the lighting. It was
just brilliant. I don't care how many

471
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:01.240
times I see that scene. I'm
still like, oh my god, go

472
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:06.359
open the door. I feel like, isn't that one of the first times

473
00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:09.920
that we start to get that kind
of um, that kind of heartbeat m

474
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:16.839
hm and liked oh the low the
low base Yeah, yeah, yeah,

475
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:22.279
which I mean it feels like that's
kind of like that's Ryan a level.

476
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:24.880
Yeah, getting it is that sense
of urgency, like go go go go

477
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:30.799
go Ye there's yeah. All right, so let's take a break. When

478
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:34.559
we get back, let's get into
some of our favorites, the best kills,

479
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:37.440
the best Loomis moments, and the
favorite use of this thing when we

480
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:44.440
come back. All Right, I'm
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481
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482
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Story. All Right, boys,
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483
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bottom of the barrel because he slaughters
all the Tuscan raiders. The fact that

484
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:01.039
she stays by his side, that
tells me everything I need to know about

485
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:05.640
these women that write letters to serial
killers in prison. You know it makes

486
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:12.119
it made sense? You know Moby
Young Sad always dumped Tim. That was

487
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:16.079
the song. You know when you
listen, Tim, did you have the

488
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:23.360
volume on? The witches are definitely
much more nightmare fuel. But the fact

489
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:30.480
that they look like the Texas Chainsaw
centerfolds um um. If jancof Thatt is

490
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:32.599
so awesome and he's hired to be
cloned, why the hell isn't he doing

491
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:37.599
the job? He like, my
client's getting impatient. What you slack ass

492
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507
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talk about some of our favorite kills
in this movie. Chet, Well your

508
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:04.519
favorite killing this one? I actually
have two tied. I think one might

509
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:07.079
surprise you a little bit. And
I think the most shocking one that he

510
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:14.280
did was that scene where you see
from him holding that dog and choking it

511
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:20.519
out, Because how many movies ever
showed a doll getting he In fact,

512
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:23.719
I learned watching it again he killed
two dogs. Yeah he did. Movie

513
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:30.159
he did, and I just thought, Wow, you don't see that anymore

514
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:35.559
sense before. He was one of
the few to just Michael does not discriminate.

515
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:37.760
I don't care who you are if
you're in my way. If you

516
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:42.480
die, you die. And I
just thought him taking out a dog like

517
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:45.639
that was eerie. And then,
of course the other one I thought was

518
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:51.599
right up there with it was hitting
somebody so hard with a butcher knife that

519
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:54.440
it pens them to the door and
stand back and look at him. That's

520
00:36:54.559 --> 00:37:00.679
just that was brutality. The iconic
shot. Yeah, that's where you get

521
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:05.239
the first nod of my first slowly
moving his head to look at his masterpiece.

522
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:07.920
You know that he pinned to the
law. I couldn't agree more than

523
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:10.880
that one is my favorite. Kid
even nailed that one. But going back

524
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:14.719
to the dog, you know,
I wouldn't have thought about that one.

525
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:17.599
So that's a good Callum. Killing
an animal is a no no in movies,

526
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:22.400
especially then big no no, because
that pulls your audience out there.

527
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:27.199
Oh man, I hate you for
killing an animal. But it added so

528
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:30.920
much more to the depth of Michael. The fact you're right, you're getting

529
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:36.079
his way. I'm sorry you're done. And the way they filmed that seemed

530
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:38.360
too Did you know that they had
to like slow the camera down a little

531
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:43.639
bit because basically they couldn't get it
to look right, to make it look

532
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:46.639
like the dog is like going limp
because he's dead. They actually film that

533
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:52.000
emotion like they were lowering the animal, like just dropping him, so you

534
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:54.239
get that that where his leg looks
like it's just going limp because he just

535
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:58.760
got killed. I just think that
was brilliant and how they filmed. Yeah,

536
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:01.239
so the dog probably wasn't cooperating the
way they wanted to see it because

537
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:05.440
the dogs just trying to be put
down or exactly yeah, he's freaking out.

538
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:07.880
Yeah yeah. And then they so
like I guess what they call it

539
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:10.599
overcranking or something to slow down the
film so they could make it look like

540
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:15.280
even though he's slowly lowering on,
the dog's good. That's that's see that

541
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:19.719
right, There is that inventive filmmaking
at that level that you just don't get

542
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:21.679
at the brain because you can just
be like, oh, we'll do it

543
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:25.480
in post put it in computer.
Yeah. Yeah, it is, Well,

544
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:29.719
it's very difficult, like a lot
of people have stated that it's really

545
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:32.559
hard to work with animals. Yeah, in that way, and it's a

546
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:36.679
relief to hear that the dog wasn't
hurt because it looked like it really was.

547
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:38.840
He did yeah on that scene and
then do a good job, Chad.

548
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:44.599
You've got some great polls there,
like the first mention of him hurting

549
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:46.639
a dog and they don't even show
it, they're just kind of liking and

550
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:51.159
they have that dialogue where he says, oh, he must have been hungry.

551
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:53.559
I know, Yeah, you've had
all day to drive around in this

552
00:38:53.639 --> 00:39:01.119
car and the dog like probably got
frustrated at the drive through window because he's

553
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:08.559
not saying anything and never mind drive
through. But no, that one was

554
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:13.679
a great one. And yeah,
I mean the my I think the best

555
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:19.239
killers bob Um. Yeah, not
only that, you know, it says

556
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:22.480
a lot about his strength, right, not only is he able to hold

557
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:24.480
up another grown man, but you
know, like you said, with the

558
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:28.760
force to pin him to a wall
and then for him to step back and

559
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:31.119
kind of look at him side to
side like the RCA dog. Yeah,

560
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:35.360
like with that kind of like huh
what is this? How about that?

561
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:37.840
Or almost kind of like evaluating work
at an art gallery or something. Yeah,

562
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:44.199
it goes back to like this is
somebody that has like that that simple

563
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:50.360
curiosity and is kind of looking through
that not really even vicious murder. That's

564
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:55.039
crazy. The whole Bob sequence,
even when Bob's dead and Michael shows up

565
00:39:55.559 --> 00:40:00.800
with the sheet on him as a
ghost. You know, that wh sequence

566
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:04.280
was just not so well. As
an audience, You're like, oh my

567
00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:07.760
god, that's not Bob. You
know, Yeah, I love that,

568
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:12.840
love it. Yeah, you have
to really step back and appreciate the writing

569
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:16.000
and the way they film things there
because, like like we talked later on,

570
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:19.800
in the later eighties, movies just
got more and more gory, and

571
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:23.760
that's where they spent the money on
the blood and guts instead of this eerie

572
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:29.320
setting that they pulled off. And
yeah, and there's hard leading blood in

573
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:34.239
this movie. There's a little bit. And Carpenter did that on purpose because

574
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.400
he wanted this to be not a
gory film. He wanted it to be

575
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:39.239
you know, more you're thinking about
it as an audience, because that pulls

576
00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:43.119
you into it more. You know
a lot of more off screen stuff,

577
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:45.760
and you know, and I appreciate
that. You're right, Chad, there's

578
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:49.880
nothing wrong with a good gory movie
from time to time. I'm good with

579
00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:52.159
it. But when you pull off
a movie like Halloween where you don't have

580
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:55.400
that gore. I think it makes
it even more, It makes it scarier,

581
00:40:55.400 --> 00:41:00.800
It makes it more important to me
as a fan. Yeah, Scott,

582
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:05.000
what was you said Bob was your
favorite? Yeah? Okay, um,

583
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:09.159
poor Annie? Um what I love
about that scene when she gets killed

584
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:14.280
in the car? You know,
Um, she goes she's singing, humming

585
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:15.880
to herself because he's all excited.
She goes to the garage, you getting

586
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:20.000
the car on. The doors locked, so she goes back into the house

587
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:23.320
to get the car key. Then
she comes back and doesn't even pay attention.

588
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:27.719
She doesn't even use the key to
open the door. She just opens

589
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:30.400
the door, doesn't realize oh wait
a minute, I just something's wrong here.

590
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:34.760
Yeah. Yeah, And then she
gets into the car and then the

591
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:37.800
windows are all steamed up, and
then she's like, okay, something's weird

592
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:42.000
now, and then she gets killed. I thought that scene was pretty neat.

593
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:45.639
Yeah. Well, that's always that
fear of the back seat. Yeah

594
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:50.480
right, Yeah. Was that the
first movie to do that in the car

595
00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:53.320
or is there something before that?
You always heard the old horse story from

596
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:55.920
the fifties, the hook arm that
was hanging on the door when they left

597
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.519
or something because they pulled away just
some time. I know that story around

598
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:04.559
cars, but it's as far as
that kind of fear of the car.

599
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:09.559
I can't think of anything prior to
this that something now, nothing that realizes

600
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:13.400
it in that way, right,
Yeah, and it doesn't in a different

601
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:15.840
moment because that that is kind of
like, well, when my car is

602
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:19.679
in public, I gotta check.
Yeah, when my car hasn't been someplace

603
00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:22.760
where I you know, I know
everything's fine with it. It's not something

604
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:24.519
I check. But then when it's
in the garage, it should be pretty

605
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:29.519
safe. You're you're right, can't
you? By surprise? And there you

606
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:32.400
go exactly. I thought it was
kind of funny how she kind of goes

607
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:36.840
cross eyed when she looks at the
camera. She kind of crosses her eyes

608
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:38.320
a little bit, then closes them, then opens them again, and then

609
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:45.719
kind of falls slump. Yeah,
not that seeing a dead body is interesting.

610
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:49.920
That that's what happened. Yeah,
that whole sequence made me kind of

611
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:52.639
wonder, like, how much butter
did she spill on herself? So you're

612
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:58.000
you're babysitting a kid, you spill
something on yourself and oh lord, all

613
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:01.119
right, well here's my reaction,
strip down to my underpants right right,

614
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:06.079
and a walk around half naked to
go outside to the laundry room in the

615
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:09.639
dark. I put it in a
bag, say nope, get a big

616
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:14.599
robe, and that's it for the
rest of the night. Yeah, I

617
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.199
agree, And that leads into the
the what I like to call the Frankenstein

618
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:22.119
moment when he's carrying her body out
from the garage into the house and Tommy

619
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:27.840
looks out and sees that I love
that shot too. So I and now

620
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:31.280
that you've mentioned that, I have
to chime in with some things that you

621
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:36.280
find out. What a piece of
crap. I've been scaring friends and stuff

622
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:38.800
growing up with Michael Myers stuff,
because I became a big fan in college

623
00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:43.639
once I saw it, and it
was a summertime, and I have a

624
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:47.320
lot of younger cousins that were probably
second, third, fourth grade at the

625
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:51.840
time, and I was late high
school, early college, and I of

626
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:54.840
course had the blue coveralls and a
mask and all that stuff in the basement

627
00:43:54.840 --> 00:44:00.400
from Halloween's and having fun, and
that movie was on one ran of night

628
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:02.400
in the summer, and I have
a cousin who is a little terrified of

629
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:07.719
Michael Myers with the white face.
My whole family was in on it,

630
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:13.360
like we were such awful people.
And I literally across our front yard,

631
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:20.159
carried my mother across the front yard
so we could we were so bad he

632
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:23.800
was. He buried his face in
his dead chest and stud with all like

633
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:28.679
we were terrible, but we Horror
movies have always been a big part of

634
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:31.440
my life. I guess when I
think about it, because that who does

635
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:37.639
that? Right now? I know
why you're so good in the photo films.

636
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:44.119
I've been practiced scaring my cousins,
which is terrible. They ever hear

637
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:47.079
this, they'll hate on me even
more for it. Yeah, But knowing

638
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:51.320
that you've done both, knowing that
you've been Jason, you've ben Michael,

639
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:55.440
and both of them have that kind
of like silent juggernaut kind of aspect.

640
00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:01.480
What's unique about trying to portray the
shape trying to be a Michael? Hmmm?

641
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:07.480
I think you had to cap I
worried more about his mannerisms than I

642
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:10.599
did. I guess Jason's Jason,
this kind of this hulking revenge beast.

643
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:15.159
I've kind of always thought of him, whereas Michael was calm, cool and

644
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:21.199
collected and and he's got he's got
a target and that's what he's going to

645
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:23.800
and he's he's very matter of fact. And one of the things I noticed

646
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:28.480
you'll see some not as much maybe
with Nick Castle in the early but maybe

647
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:30.280
a little more in the laters,
the way he walks around like a low

648
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:36.639
robot almost, And I thought and
Kills they captured that very well in those

649
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:38.719
early scenes. He looked like a
robot going down the street almost, and

650
00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:42.800
Nick Castle of course started that right. He didn't I don't think he did

651
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:45.760
it all the time, but he
did do it in the scenes where it

652
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:47.679
mattered the most, like, hey, you've got to walk across two front

653
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:52.079
yards for the scene, and so
he I don't think he just walked.

654
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:55.679
I think he thought about what would
Michael do here a little bit. They

655
00:45:55.880 --> 00:45:59.679
maybe early on he didn't know a
whole lot. But I thought, after

656
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:01.760
getting to play the part and stuff
too, as soon as I pull the

657
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:04.760
mask down and you're like, all
right, we need you in the scene,

658
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:07.239
I would try and snap into that
moment and quit talking to people and

659
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:10.119
just stare at him, and then
I would, you know, walk with

660
00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:15.159
my arms straight up and down and
not move holding that knife instead just those

661
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:17.960
things I learned. I tried to
mimic when when you would call to say,

662
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:21.480
come on in here, it's your
turn. Yeah, but I just

663
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:24.280
tried to snap into into mode.
It was fun. Yeah, there's there's

664
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:28.840
absolutely that kind of menacing pace that
he has, right, I know that,

665
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:34.320
Like there's been some fairly recent percials
where it shows that that monster that's

666
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:37.280
kind of following the girl that's running
through the end, she's just gonna like,

667
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:38.559
oh, I have to just keep
running because he walking, right,

668
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:43.039
But there's that meaning behind the pace
that's kind of like I don't have to

669
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:45.760
hurry because eventually I'm going to get
there. Right, eventually, I'm going

670
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:50.000
to get this person. Why isn't
this person running? It makes a lot

671
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:52.519
more menacing, That's true. He
that established that too, where he's not

672
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:57.599
he wasn't chasing people running after them. He just okay, I'm going to

673
00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:00.519
follow him there, just determined they'll
make a mistake. I'll catch him,

674
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:06.039
don't worry. It's all good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's

675
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:08.800
true. And yeah, I can
attest for Chad on that when he donned

676
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:14.039
the hockey mask for Jason, you
know, he was this hawking beast and

677
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:16.159
he pulled it off so well.
And then when I asked him to play

678
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:21.199
the shape in our next project,
it was like he was a completely different

679
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:24.559
person. You know, he did
it so well of the mannerisms and a

680
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:29.559
like even Jeff said, it's like
it can Chad pull off Michael because he

681
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:32.000
did so well with Jason. I'm
like, I trust Chad. He's really

682
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:37.360
good with it. And that's so. And when when Jeff, oh,

683
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:39.840
you did great. When Jeff saw
the Halloween stuff, He's like, holy

684
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:44.000
crap, Chad did pull it off. I'm like, yeah, he knows

685
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:51.079
the mannerisms of both killers. So
it's kind watched them too long. Yeah,

686
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:52.679
it's way too young to be watching
him when I started watching him.

687
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:58.880
Yeah. Yeah, Well, there's
another element to Michael and his presence.

688
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:04.360
And if I'm using the term right, it's the sting right in. And

689
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:07.079
I don't know if that's technically part
of the composition, part of the score,

690
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:13.360
or of or of a soundtrack sound
effect, right. Yeah, So

691
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:17.079
with that element in mind, Chad, what's your favorite sting moment? And

692
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:21.000
when you say sting, this is
like where the movie or the music just

693
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:24.159
bang right in with something at that
moment. Yeah right. It can be

694
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:28.559
like a sudden twinge of music or
a sudden sound effect or something like that

695
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:30.880
that kind of punctuates Michael's appearance or
is it. Gosh, there was a

696
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:34.519
few of them in the movie.
There's some good ones in it. Yeah,

697
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:39.320
I gotta The only one that's coming
to mind at this point is Carpenter

698
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:44.719
put in one of those sting moments, the moment Annie died. Yeah,

699
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:49.119
and that's eerie. I thought watching
it again last night, I just thought,

700
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:52.039
yeah, he waited for that moment, not when Michael like showed up,

701
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:57.079
when she passed, is when that
hit, And I just thought,

702
00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:02.159
man, that's that's brutal. Yeah
before what a choice there? Yeah,

703
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:06.679
yeah, So I guess that's the
first one that pops in my head,

704
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:09.119
just the use of it there,
not the typical always there kind of thing.

705
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:14.559
It was she just died. Yeah, yeah, crazy Dave, what

706
00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:19.199
about you? So mine is probably
one? Doesn't It doesn't follow a kill.

707
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:23.199
It is when Tommy has fallen with
the pumpkin and broke it. So

708
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:28.079
he gets up and is walking away
and just Michael just comes out of nowhere

709
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:30.239
and grabs him with that sting music. Oh yeah, yeah. Yes,

710
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:34.159
you know, you're like, whoa, because you weren't expecting that right there.

711
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:36.880
No one would expect that moment right
there, Michael is just out in

712
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:39.039
the middle of the daylight and just
grabs somebody. You don't expect that,

713
00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:45.159
so it gets me. It still
gets me. I can't believe. Yeah,

714
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:47.440
that is a fantastic when you're right, because then we don't have He's

715
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:52.960
not hiding away at night, right
he's out in the schoolyard and yeah at

716
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.360
two pm. Yeah, and then
he just follows Tommy like a creeper.

717
00:49:55.920 --> 00:50:00.679
Yeah, true, Yeah, yeah, Well it's it's that's a that's a

718
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:02.280
great moment. It's a lot of
things. It's at balance of the every

719
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:06.280
day because when you see Tommy at
school, you're expecting like, oh,

720
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:09.360
okay, we're getting backstory of Tommy
and how he's bullied. Yeah, and

721
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:15.119
as much as he loves Halloween nerd
um. And then all of a sudden

722
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:17.679
it turns into that moment like just
in case you forgot, this is this

723
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:22.719
neighborhood being stalked by this guy,
and it's the first time that Tommy sees

724
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:27.280
stops and looks up at him.
Yep, and they have this moment to

725
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:30.000
just get her. So now this
is going to be the boogeyman that he's

726
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:35.639
watching for outside his window and creepily, you know, following him in the

727
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:38.039
station wagon. Apparently, Tommy,
I'd be looking around a little bit more

728
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:43.239
and yeah, I was like,
there's a car right there following you.

729
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:46.320
Can you know see it? How
do you not feel that old seventy eight

730
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:52.639
station wagon, giant steel thing right
there? Right? That was only one

731
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:54.679
scene. I was like, all
right, they didn't know what to do.

732
00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:58.480
Yeah, yeah, he didn't put
it into park, so he didn't

733
00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:04.679
get that uncle buck bang at the
end of it. Right. For me,

734
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:07.239
the one that I always appreciate the
most and it kind of gets me

735
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:12.480
from time to time when I'm first
watching it is that opening sequence is spider

736
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:15.840
crawl across the trunk the top.
Oh, that's right, that's in fact,

737
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:19.559
that's the first one where they hit
it. Right. A stinging moment,

738
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:22.320
isn't ye Right now. That's one
of the reasons I wonder if it's

739
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:25.119
part of score or a sound effect, because it sounds like it could be

740
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:28.960
both. It sounds like it could
the synthesizer that he's right in the rest

741
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.760
in qui. But even in that
moment, like it's it's total darkness,

742
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:35.920
it's in the rain. You have
to kind of like squint or you have

743
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:37.239
to turn the brightness up a little
bit to see all the people that you

744
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:43.400
old that was erie in itself,
just wandering around in the rain erie,

745
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:45.679
right. Yeah, And it does
a great slow job of kind of like

746
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:50.960
setting that atmosphere. But then you
know, you're not expecting anything. It's

747
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:54.039
a great idea to have him running
up the trunk because you've got that use

748
00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:59.079
of the red lights, you've got
that use of you know, you've established

749
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:02.159
there's a lot of people that are
walking up wearing their you know, their

750
00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:06.400
gowns. Yep. And here's one
of them that crawled up the top of

751
00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:12.360
a car. Um a really tense
sequence because she gets grabbed on the one

752
00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:15.800
side to the open window, scurries
to the other, loses all of her

753
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:22.039
you know, nurse dressing, and
then that moment with the wrench that hits

754
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:25.280
the window. Yeah, it's a
brilliant scene. It is. Yeah,

755
00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:29.480
it's fantastic, And I love the
fact that they revisited that with the same

756
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:35.280
actress and Halloween kills. They did
the exact same thing that sets respect for

757
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:37.679
the classic loved it, loved it
to the same effect. Yeah it still

758
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:45.079
hits. Yeah it does absolutely.
So what about best Loomis moments in this

759
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:49.679
movie? Chad, you have one? Yeah, let's see. Oh for

760
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:53.599
me was at the very end and
when Laura asked him in her franticness at

761
00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:57.559
that point, was that the Boogeyman? And he says yes, as a

762
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:00.079
matter of fact, it was,
and he agrees when they're that was my

763
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:02.639
favorite. I wrote that down.
Yeah, I was like, I think

764
00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:07.239
that's my winner. And and speaking
of this, is this the first time

765
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:12.840
that we get the killer gets killed
and then he disappears at the end like

766
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:16.039
he's alive again? Is this the
first movie that does that? This movie

767
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:19.559
seems they have a lot of first, doesn't it? At least that we

768
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:22.320
know of that we know of other
than maybe the old Dracula stuff. Sorry,

769
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:25.280
I didn't mean you cut it off
here, No go, just the

770
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:28.920
old Dracula stuff. He was always
coming back. That's the only thing I

771
00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:32.239
could think of. Yeah, my
class similar, Yeah, could be because

772
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:36.239
I know we had leather Face one
was at early seventies, but they didn't

773
00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:38.679
kill him. No, he was
swinging around. He was swinging the chainstall

774
00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:42.760
around, right. So this one
was you feel like the killer is dead

775
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:46.480
and then you go to overlook the
balcony. Oh never mind, he's gone.

776
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:51.639
He's alive. Yeah, which,
you know the sequel coming right,

777
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:53.960
Well, that's that's interesting. So
did John Carpenter know there was going to

778
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:58.800
be a sequel when he did this? I don't think so. In the

779
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:01.559
documentary I was watching yesterday that I
happen to find on YouTube is a pretty

780
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:04.159
good one. I'll have to share
it with you, guys. I was

781
00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:08.559
really interested in it. He said
he didn't plan on anything coming afterwards because

782
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:10.880
he didn't know it was going to
be, of course, the success that

783
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:14.280
it was. He thought it was
a one and done and he'd get paid

784
00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:20.440
and move on and hoping for a
few theaters to show it at that and

785
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:24.039
he had no idea that it would
become this ultimate classic. But yeah,

786
00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:28.360
yeah, yeah, and it did. And because he didn't direct this second

787
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:30.320
one obviously, but he helped put
it together, you know. So.

788
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:35.159
But you know, Scott, what
about you any favorite Loomis moments? Well,

789
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:37.079
kind of building on that a little
bit, you know, the killer

790
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:42.840
coming back or being gone, filling
with a horror movie nowadays, and I'm

791
00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:45.920
kind of started with Fright the third, you're doing that kind of thing with

792
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:49.000
the sequel in month to kind of
maybe say to the studio, like,

793
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:52.840
you know, we could bring him
back and continue the whole thing and turn

794
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:57.440
this mirror on Friday became But I
think for something like this, it's a

795
00:54:57.480 --> 00:55:01.360
little bit of bringing the audience back, right because by not having that you're

796
00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:05.159
still a little afraid of it,
when you'll be more inclined to go back

797
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:07.480
and see see them get scared and
then there's kind of a moment of comfort

798
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:12.880
but all scared, sharing the excitement
of kind of right. I think it's

799
00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:15.280
very smart and I'm glad that that's
kind of a that's a trope we kind

800
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:19.320
of fell into. It became kind
of expected. I think with a lot

801
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:22.440
of the slasher movies at the end
it has yeah, but but to a

802
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:25.000
really good effect. And the ones
that last of the one all yeah.

803
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:29.480
And again we've talked about this before, Scott talking about when we talk about

804
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:32.159
Jaws too. You know, this
is a time period when sequels weren't really

805
00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:37.719
a thing. You know, Hollywood
really just wasn't looking at sequels and stuff

806
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:39.800
like that. You know. So
this is just another one of those examples

807
00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:44.440
that started to change Hollywood as they
hey, there's more money to be had,

808
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:46.840
we let's do a sequel. Yeah, you know. So also to

809
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:50.760
their detriment and some of it,
yeah, some of it. Yeah,

810
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:54.559
yeah, I absolutely agree. Yeah. I'd say my favorite, one of

811
00:55:54.599 --> 00:56:00.519
my favorite Loomis moments is one that's
a little out of character. M Here

812
00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:05.239
we have somebody who theoretically is like
kind of like a child psychologist. Um,

813
00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:12.440
and he scares the kids off the
porch, Get your ass out of

814
00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:19.440
there. I loved the voice that
he uses, but then afterward that kind

815
00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:24.000
of smug grin that he has,
and then get scared by the sheriff.

816
00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:28.199
We got your back, let's watch
out. Just remember there's a killer out

817
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:31.920
there. So maybe you know,
wonderful scene. Yes, good pick,

818
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:37.000
good pick. So for me,
I'm gonna go ahead and say the line.

819
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:40.079
I met him fifteen years ago.
I was told there was nothing left,

820
00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:44.960
no reason, no a conscience,
no understanding, and even the most

821
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:47.920
rudimentary sense of life or death,
of good or evil, right or wrong.

822
00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:52.840
I met this six year old child
with this blank, pale, emotionless

823
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:57.239
face. And the blackest eyes,
the Devil's eyes. I love that scene.

824
00:56:57.599 --> 00:57:00.639
Just that line in itself just sumped
up whom Michael Myers and in that

825
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:06.519
beginning scene that he delivers like that
minded me of Jaws when Quent was talking

826
00:57:06.519 --> 00:57:09.960
about the USS Indianapolis. You remember
that scene. Yeah, I kind of

827
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:15.840
felt that similar performance where everybody just
quieted down and heard this awful story,

828
00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:21.320
like, yeah, yeah, I
got that vibe from it. I just

829
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:23.920
wonder if I wonder if he was
thinking, Quint, yeah, that's a

830
00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:28.000
good call. I didn't think about
that, you know. Yeah, I

831
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:30.880
like that. Even if he didn't, it worked out perfect because you're right,

832
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:32.840
it does resemble that scene for sure. Yeah, just a little bit

833
00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:36.960
cool, all right, Scott,
you got some more questions for us?

834
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:44.280
I like, yeah, so obviously, you know, Michael's presence changed the

835
00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:49.639
face of horror literally because it had
that kind of the mask that we'd be

836
00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:54.199
coming back, Chad, what are
your top three killer movie mess beyond Michael?

837
00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:59.280
Which is tricky because the case pace
came first, correct, you know

838
00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:01.800
what? And that's true. And
I was struggling to think about the masks

839
00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:07.719
and stuff, and I finally got
some vorhees of course you got the iconic,

840
00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:14.519
right, and I've even debated tattoos
of the hockey mask, so I'm

841
00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:19.199
a little obsessed. Um, I
think we get a decent one later on

842
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:24.159
that sticks and ghost Face and the
screen Scream series, and then just one

843
00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:27.760
more. I was kind of struggling. I was thinking about maybe the Valentine

844
00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:30.239
or Pinhead, but that's not like
a mask, I thought. The only

845
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:34.920
other one that came to mind was
Predator Um from eighty seven, because those

846
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:37.119
they were wearing masks that looked eery. Even though it was an alien already,

847
00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:40.400
it still had a mask on.
Yeah, so that that was That

848
00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:45.519
was the Jason and I think ghost
Face were the two biggest ones that came

849
00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:49.079
came to mind for me. And
those are probably fairly obvious and I'm not

850
00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:52.400
being very difficult here, but yeah, those those were the two that I

851
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:54.280
thought. Those kept coming back.
In fact, we just had a screen

852
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:58.280
in the theaters screaming the theaters not
long ago, right we didn't? Yeah?

853
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:00.599
Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, is that so there's another one

854
00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:05.719
coming into or did that already happen? It just came out, okay about

855
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:08.360
a month ago, I think somewhere
neighborhood. Yeah, Stream six. Yeah,

856
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:12.519
it just came out theaters. Okay, right, I mean, don't

857
00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:15.440
worry about not pushing the envelope with
an answers two of yours or two of

858
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:20.840
mine? Right, Okay, Jason, you know, Jason changed the perception

859
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:22.760
of hockey masks, Like, it'd
be interesting to look at a time when

860
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:27.559
that before that, when that wasn't
associated with the horror movie, but it

861
00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:30.119
has actually used in sports. Yeah, let's see how much that's changed.

862
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:34.639
Um. I think the ghost face
mask is another one that's a great pull,

863
00:59:34.719 --> 00:59:37.840
but it owes so much too Halloween, and it does a lot of

864
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:42.119
homage to Halloween with the you know, the rest of the outfit, the

865
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:46.360
cloak and the work boots and all, but also having that kind of um,

866
00:59:47.199 --> 00:59:53.840
that stark expression like it's a face
that has one fixed emotion in it.

867
00:59:54.519 --> 01:00:00.400
UM that's completely silent and very iconic, like when you see that emerge

868
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:05.039
out of the shadows. Um.
It definitely owes UM. I really had

869
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:07.239
a time with the third two,
um, which is why did you ask

870
01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:14.360
this question? But there are so
many that work in so many fantastic ways.

871
01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:16.400
There was one that I saw just
kind of scanning through the hidcome before

872
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:21.760
this, Um, that was using
one of those translucent masks. If you're

873
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:24.760
really to the Batman sixty six series, the false face kind of masks those

874
01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:29.880
things. I thought, Yeah,
ridiculously cree it is disturbing. Yeah,

875
01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:31.639
just a little bit of clown paint
on it, but otherwise it's translucent and

876
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:35.880
you see your skin color through it
and it creates this warp. Yeah.

877
01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:37.920
Yeah, that's like, yeah,
that's a kind of thing. But my

878
01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:42.800
third official one will probably be Doctor
Decker's mask, which is kind of Ah,

879
01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:44.719
I didn't think about that one.
That's kind of a deep cut,

880
01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:50.639
but um, the really small eyes, the really narrow eyes. Um,

881
01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:53.679
and I think it had like a
basically a burlap sack with all the nuances

882
01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:58.679
too. But um, when I
when I looked back at that, it

883
01:00:58.760 --> 01:01:02.639
made me think of the Scarecrow and
the Animated Animated where they eventually Scarecrow a

884
01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:07.079
little. Yeah. With each of
these, what I think they have in

885
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:10.360
common is that it completely obscures the
face. And we got kind of the

886
01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:15.320
flip side of that with Freddie,
where you know, very expressive and all

887
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:20.079
you can see how his face was
acting things out. But that kind of

888
01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:27.639
um silent juggernaut um kind of thing
and hiding the person's expression that is that

889
01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:30.079
is coming after you and you're desperate
to stop them, but has like no

890
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:35.519
emotion you can see or penetrate.
Yeah, we're all going to be on

891
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:37.679
top of one another when it comes
to our top three, because we know

892
01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:39.920
Jason's going to be the one.
I want to actually give Jason two of

893
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:45.400
them because he had the sack over
his head in the second one and I'm

894
01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:50.159
sorry, I thought that was creepy
with a single eyehole, with a single

895
01:01:50.199 --> 01:01:53.840
eyehole, that was scary in itself. And then you get the hockey mask

896
01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:59.360
which came along in the third one. So I'm giving Jason two of those,

897
01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:05.239
which is I know, not really
fair cheating, it's two different masks.

898
01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:07.760
And yeah, and then of course
I'm gonna agree with both of you

899
01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:14.719
on ghost Face. Uh, Scream
revitalized the slasher genre, you know,

900
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:17.840
because at that point it was dead
and gone almost no pun intended. But

901
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:22.639
um, you know, Wes Craven
with h and Williamson brought back that that

902
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:27.559
franchise, that that genre with Scream, So in ghost Face is fantastic.

903
01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:30.840
Scott, Yeah, you spoke a
lot about there. You know how many

904
01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:35.639
nods it gives to Halloween. Uh
and in itself. So absolutely ghost face

905
01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:39.800
for sure. So um, let's
go. That's one more question here.

906
01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:43.880
I believe we've got uh, Scott, you came up with us, but

907
01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:45.920
I'm gonna go ahead and say it. Uh, Laurie is the godmother of

908
01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:50.920
scream queens, as we all know, Chad, what are the top three

909
01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:54.960
who followed in Jamie Lee's footsteps?
Okay, yeah, I got some this

910
01:02:55.119 --> 01:03:00.679
so I thought, Um, of
course Adrian King right, I'm still obsessed

911
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:05.800
on the camp Killers things, right, so I know she was the first

912
01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:09.800
one. There's also Janet Lee that
maybe can be maybe included in that since

913
01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:13.599
she was the first screamer in the
Shower. I don't know, she didn't

914
01:03:13.639 --> 01:03:15.800
really do much. Yeah, yeah, and then um, I got two

915
01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:21.480
more that might be different since it's
not the typical horror movie. But I've

916
01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:24.000
got Sigourney Weaver written down for the
Aliens movies. That's a good call.

917
01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:28.840
I was thinking about her. I
will give that absolutely. Okay, Okay,

918
01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:30.840
I was thinking to her, and
I just think it wasn't she didn't

919
01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:37.639
do multiple movies like this, But
I thought Kate Capshaw and Indiana Jones and

920
01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:42.679
the Temple of Doom putting on like
all these screaming scenes where she's got her

921
01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:45.840
hands in the bugs and they're falling
all the time, and her scream throughout

922
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:50.440
the movie. Thinking of it in
that contact, it wasn't annoying, like

923
01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:57.280
it worked like she was always screaming
throughout that And my wife mentioned that one.

924
01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:00.360
She's like, what about the Blonde
Lady and Temple would do she was

925
01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:02.639
always screaming. I was like,
you know what, You're right, and

926
01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:05.440
she nailed it, I thought.
But for me, the two I guess

927
01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:09.960
would be Adrian King and Scourney Weaver. All right, fair enough, Scott,

928
01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:14.159
what about you? Um? It
was it was tough, and I

929
01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:17.960
kind of feel the, you know, the spectral hand of Jeff Johnson being

930
01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:23.000
like, I'm waiting to hear and
he's judging us, mister aunt may yea.

931
01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:30.920
The three that I'm going to to
mention um one is Heather langen Camp.

932
01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:33.800
Yes, from the Nightmare movies.
Never going to cause some debate,

933
01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:40.119
no, but the the three that
I think of for her in the series

934
01:04:40.239 --> 01:04:45.800
is the first, the third,
Dream Warriors, and New Nightmare. Absolutely

935
01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:49.199
Nightmare Yep. Absolutely, she's she. She really, I think carried on

936
01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:54.760
that tradition that Jamie started of saying, this is somebody who is not inherently

937
01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:59.239
like um, you know, uh, John Conner's mom. She's not Sarah

938
01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:01.119
Connor. She's not somebody who you
know, can stand up to this because

939
01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:08.360
she's built like a badass, somebody
who's just in that situation and stands up

940
01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:11.719
to it and fights back against it. And I think one of my earliest

941
01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:15.639
horror movies that I saw was Dream
Warriors, and that's what I appreciated so

942
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:18.280
much about it is that you had
her kind of inspiring and leaving these other

943
01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:23.079
kids to stand up to it,
to this kind of evil that she couldn't

944
01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:27.480
fight. So I gotta give credit
to her. My next is going to

945
01:05:27.559 --> 01:05:31.320
be the world's greatest eighties mom.
D Wallace. Yes, I had that

946
01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:36.280
one. Thank you, Scott.
I'm just going to go back to,

947
01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:41.440
you know, things like the Hills
Have Eyes, the Howling Critters. But

948
01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:45.760
what the reason I wanted to pick
her specifically was that mom role with Kujoe.

949
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:48.239
Yeah, and thinking about, you
know, the situation that she's in,

950
01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:53.320
trapped in the car with her son
and nowhere to go and you know,

951
01:05:54.199 --> 01:05:58.320
not screaming just for the effect of
screaming, but like in different ways,

952
01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:01.599
the desperation for you know, yourself, protecting your son and being that

953
01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:05.639
horrible situation. But still like,
you know, there's that moment where the

954
01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:11.599
screen the scream turns into a snarl
and it's like, no, you're not

955
01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:14.599
going to get that kid, and
I'm gonna scream through the fact that I'm

956
01:06:14.599 --> 01:06:17.159
gonna kick your little doggie butt and
get out of this situation. Yep,

957
01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:21.880
that's a real good one. I
always think et with her, and I

958
01:06:23.239 --> 01:06:26.360
consider all that he's done a lot
of horror, and I thought I was

959
01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:28.280
the only one to go and pick
her, so well down, Scott,

960
01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:32.440
you'll beat me to it. My
third I had a hard time with because

961
01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:39.199
there are so many, but I
wanted to go with Anya Taylor Joy last

962
01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:44.519
night and soho. I haven't seen
the menu, but I'm thinking specifically of

963
01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:49.760
her in Split and that role specifically, even though I don't know that qualifies

964
01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:55.599
as horror as much as a thriller. Yeah, she clearly has the potential

965
01:06:56.159 --> 01:06:59.239
to carry on that tradition and to
do these kind of things with a lot

966
01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:03.519
of range, you know, her
and Split being kind of the defensive angle,

967
01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:09.679
but then in Last Night and Soho
being that kind of a different angle.

968
01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:11.679
I don't say it in that way
so that I don't spoil it for

969
01:07:11.760 --> 01:07:15.280
somebody anyway, those are the three, Dave, What about you? So?

970
01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:19.159
My first one was Heather land camp
because as Nancy from at Maynom Street.

971
01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:26.960
My second one is actually Nev Campbell
from Scream playing Sydney. You know,

972
01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:29.880
she had quite a few screen movies
that she did, and I thought

973
01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:32.880
she did fantast's job, but you
know, almost filling in the shoes for

974
01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:36.679
Laurie Start for Jamie Lee Curtis,
so you know, Jamie still had is

975
01:07:36.719 --> 01:07:39.800
the best. But you know,
I thought Nev did a very good job

976
01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:44.519
at Sydney, and then you beat
me to d Wallace. I thought she

977
01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:46.960
was fantastic and all the ones she
did. She even followed up with if

978
01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:53.239
you guys remember the movie The Frighten
Nurse. Oh yeah, she played the

979
01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:57.119
daughter in that, remember, and
then she turned out to be something else,

980
01:07:57.119 --> 01:07:59.639
which I don't want to ruin it
in case you've not seen the movie.

981
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:01.960
Um, I know a film by
did a Jeff and I did a

982
01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:05.039
podcast on the frighteners for Peter Jackson. So if you haven't seen that chat,

983
01:08:05.239 --> 01:08:09.360
check that one definitely. But yeah, d Wallace is in that one

984
01:08:09.360 --> 01:08:13.159
and she did a great job.
So yeah those are my three. Scott

985
01:08:13.159 --> 01:08:15.079
me get anything else? I got
one more. And this is a little

986
01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:18.479
bit going, you know, all
up to my Star Trek nerd friends.

987
01:08:20.319 --> 01:08:26.039
So if they weren't able to use
Shatner's face, what other Trek crew member's

988
01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:29.159
face should have been used? Because
I know at some point they had played

989
01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:34.560
around with using the Spock counterpart to
it. M Chad, what do you

990
01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:40.680
think? I don't think it would
have had the same scare to it.

991
01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:45.319
I think because because that Shatner mask
was, in fact in that documentary I

992
01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:54.680
was watching yesterday, Carpenter even said
it looked nothing like total failure of her

993
01:08:54.720 --> 01:08:58.319
mask. And then when they painted
it whiteen and did the orange hair on

994
01:08:58.359 --> 01:09:03.239
it, it was this basic,
not unique at all face like I I

995
01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:09.039
just white expressionless. I don't know. I think if you put the spot

996
01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:12.279
shape and point ears on it or
something, it wouldn't have worked. And

997
01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:16.039
I can't think of can't think of
any of the old Star Trek masks that

998
01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:20.359
would have worked beyond that, I
don't know, I really don't. I

999
01:09:20.720 --> 01:09:24.680
think if you put Spock there,
we'd have been joking and making fun of

1000
01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:28.199
Michael Mine. Yeah, I think
so looking up to him as wow,

1001
01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:30.600
look what they did. Yeah,
right, Well, even even without the

1002
01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:35.359
point of ears, you were so
used to seeing his face and kind of

1003
01:09:35.359 --> 01:09:40.520
that you know, the Lennar Animoy, very very stoic kind of face,

1004
01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:43.399
it would have looked like Spock.
Oh, and I think it raised a

1005
01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:45.359
great point that this looks nothing like
William Chatterer. It surprised me a lot

1006
01:09:45.359 --> 01:09:50.439
to learn that that was him,
especially when you think back to this kind

1007
01:09:50.439 --> 01:09:55.199
of time period. Every mask had
to look like somebody or something, so

1008
01:09:55.880 --> 01:09:59.119
being a don Post mask, you're
almost kind of drown into it a little

1009
01:09:59.159 --> 01:10:01.600
bit like who is this supposed to
be? Because he got off a shelf

1010
01:10:01.880 --> 01:10:04.840
and it's you know, everything,
and then had to be some kind of

1011
01:10:05.199 --> 01:10:11.399
icon or character that was recognizable obviously, so that when you're going to treating

1012
01:10:11.439 --> 01:10:15.760
somebody can say, oh, you're
Frankenstein, your calcula or whatever. So

1013
01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:18.399
what is this thing that has no
place in the natural world. It even

1014
01:10:18.439 --> 01:10:24.439
has some kind of interesting contours to
the face itself. Like kind of a

1015
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:27.680
Fred Flintstone kind of contour that comes
down from the nose. That's kind of

1016
01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:30.960
like that's not supposed to be there, but it makes it so unique.

1017
01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:33.640
And just to know that, I
think it's kind of funny that's it's William

1018
01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:38.840
Shatner. I think if it was
going to be anybody else, my pick

1019
01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:43.479
would probably be doctor McCoy to Forrest
Kelly, quit stealing my answer, Scott,

1020
01:10:43.960 --> 01:10:45.880
Sorry, I got the second network
plugged in. I guess I've said

1021
01:10:45.920 --> 01:10:49.800
him in your notes before him.
Yeah, I just I think it would

1022
01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:55.600
be interesting to see that face with
the same treatment leached out. I don't

1023
01:10:55.600 --> 01:10:58.439
know what kind of expression it would
because you wouldn't want to do that smarmie

1024
01:10:58.479 --> 01:11:00.319
like well, I know, because
I'm the doctor kind of phase. It

1025
01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:03.760
would have to be something that's very
stoic and very stern. Yeah, yep,

1026
01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:08.239
I agree, that's what you had. Yeah, exactly what I had.

1027
01:11:08.680 --> 01:11:11.840
Steal stealing my answers left and right, Scott quit it. No love

1028
01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:18.640
for the heavy set, Scottie from
the movies, big right? Yeah?

1029
01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:24.520
No, all right, Well,
let's let's talk a little bit about the

1030
01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:28.159
score, guys. I know we've
mentioned it quite a bit uh here because

1031
01:11:28.159 --> 01:11:30.880
it's very important to this movie.
It's very important any movie. You know,

1032
01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:34.680
we always talk about music can really
make or break a movie in itself,

1033
01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:42.239
and in this one, it definitely
makes the movie. John Carpenter composed

1034
01:11:42.319 --> 01:11:44.960
the music and chat, I believe
you said it was three days, correct.

1035
01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:46.800
Yeah, I don't know I did
that. Just crazy to think about

1036
01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:50.880
that he came up with that in
three days. But just you know,

1037
01:11:51.119 --> 01:11:56.039
the music throughout just put you on
the edge of your seat, get your

1038
01:11:56.079 --> 01:11:59.159
heart pumping. Um. You know, it does what the movie needs,

1039
01:11:59.159 --> 01:12:05.640
it needs in usic to do.
Absolutely agree. Yeah, and it's it's

1040
01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:11.399
a simpler soundtrack, but it works
perfectly. You can tell he didn't have

1041
01:12:11.439 --> 01:12:15.439
a whole lot of time because there's
there's not a whole lot of layers of

1042
01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:18.199
instruments and things. In certain parts
there's two or three a lot of the

1043
01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:24.079
time maybe four, But it simplicity
sells it. I think it works so

1044
01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:28.800
well. The piano is the focus
and when that theme comes on, you

1045
01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:31.680
know we're about to go yeah and
that, yeah, it was. I

1046
01:12:32.039 --> 01:12:36.079
thought it was brilliant overall. Less
is more. Yeah, it goes along

1047
01:12:36.119 --> 01:12:40.640
with what Carpenter does. He does
the simple cinematography, you know, and

1048
01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:44.039
I'm not saying simple, but you
know what I mean. It's a simplistic,

1049
01:12:44.239 --> 01:12:46.560
minimalist cinematography. You know. He
does it with the lighting. He

1050
01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:50.680
did it with the music too,
and it all worked so brilliantly in this

1051
01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:56.199
movie, all of it. Yeah, you know, um, but yeah,

1052
01:12:56.199 --> 01:12:59.560
I mean, and he carried on. I believe his son helped compose.

1053
01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:02.880
Him and his son teamed up for
the last the newest free Halloween movies

1054
01:13:03.119 --> 01:13:06.279
and it's fans fantastic. Yeah,
you can. You can tell he had

1055
01:13:06.279 --> 01:13:12.159
more time with it, oh eight
twenty twenty one, and the bigger budget

1056
01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:14.640
too, I'm sure. So Yeah, they were throwing a little more money

1057
01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:16.880
at him and more time, and
you can tell. And I just how

1058
01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:20.920
awesome is it to him and his
son worked on it together. It looks

1059
01:13:20.920 --> 01:13:25.119
like him and his son are pretty
close. H Cody is his name in

1060
01:13:25.119 --> 01:13:27.680
it? Is it? Cody Carpenter? Yeah, that's that's so something,

1061
01:13:27.800 --> 01:13:31.840
so absolutely, But you can't.
You can't speak enough about the music of

1062
01:13:31.880 --> 01:13:35.840
this movie. You can't. And
anybody it's like it's like the Jaws and

1063
01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:41.920
music. Anybody who hears this knows
exactly where it's from Yep. The melody

1064
01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:46.720
that he developed for it is timeless. Yeah, absolutely sure. All right,

1065
01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:54.279
So, um any any what if
Scott um? No? The only

1066
01:13:54.279 --> 01:14:01.680
one I can think of is um. I read somewhere that um who was

1067
01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:08.880
it? Christopher Lee? Yeah,
and Peter Cushing? Yeah. Um that

1068
01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:15.479
Lee apparently regretted the decision to turn
it down. I wonder why. But

1069
01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:21.960
I think it would have been a
much different kind of role because it is

1070
01:14:23.039 --> 01:14:26.800
so well known. For not that
Donald Pleasant wasn't well known, Yeah,

1071
01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:30.720
but Christopher Lee had already been in
the genre so much, so many different

1072
01:14:30.800 --> 01:14:34.880
kinds of things like that, that
hammer kind of decade. Yeah, it

1073
01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:39.079
would have just taken that different tone
it would have seen, I think,

1074
01:14:39.119 --> 01:14:43.640
maybe a little less independent because it
wouldn't have been so many, um,

1075
01:14:44.600 --> 01:14:47.319
somewhat fresh faces. Yeah. And
I think to a lot of us,

1076
01:14:47.439 --> 01:14:50.359
you know, aside from us all
thirteen, this would have been the first

1077
01:14:50.359 --> 01:14:56.680
exposure to Donald Pleasants. M Yeah, I agree with that completely. I

1078
01:14:56.720 --> 01:15:00.119
don't see Peter Cushing or Christopher Lee
at all in the role of Donald Pleasants.

1079
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:02.439
You know, I mentioned it earlier. I don't see anybody else but

1080
01:15:02.520 --> 01:15:05.560
Donald Pleasance because he just did it
so well, but I didn't think about

1081
01:15:05.600 --> 01:15:09.840
it would make it seem like a
bigger budget film. You are absolutely correct

1082
01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:13.680
about that. If they had gotten
Thelm. This made it still feel like

1083
01:15:13.720 --> 01:15:16.119
that small independent film, which it
would have been anyway, but it still

1084
01:15:16.359 --> 01:15:21.119
gives it that vibe that Donald pleasant
springs to the film. Yeah, yeah,

1085
01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:24.560
I agree. I think if you
would have ended up with Lee or

1086
01:15:25.199 --> 01:15:28.279
Cushing in it, which they're both
brilliant and they're oh yeah, of course,

1087
01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:30.720
I think that would have been more
of the oh, look, Christopher

1088
01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:35.079
Lee's doing this movie, and it
would have taken away from the actual story

1089
01:15:35.239 --> 01:15:40.039
and at that point you might as
well put Vincent Price in there or something.

1090
01:15:40.600 --> 01:15:44.600
They're just gonna command the screen and
you're not going to think about the

1091
01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:46.720
movie like you would have. Yeah, yeah, I think I think it's

1092
01:15:46.760 --> 01:15:49.680
funny. And we'll just go on
to go to quote some of the actors

1093
01:15:49.680 --> 01:15:55.840
that were in this. But Donald
pleasance. He stated that he didn't understand

1094
01:15:55.920 --> 01:15:59.800
or like the script about Halloween.
He said, I don't know why I'm

1095
01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:02.960
in this movie, and I don't
know who my character is. The only

1096
01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:06.880
reason I'm doing this movie is because
I am I have alimony to pay,

1097
01:16:08.199 --> 01:16:11.239
and my daughter in England is in
a rock and roll group and she said

1098
01:16:11.239 --> 01:16:14.359
the music that you just did for
Thought and Present theme is cool, which

1099
01:16:14.520 --> 01:16:17.159
he was talking to Carpenter. So
I thought that was pretty deep. Yeah,

1100
01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:20.000
that's not a bad reason to get
into it. And I've a lot

1101
01:16:20.039 --> 01:16:23.319
of actors site that kind of thing, like, well, my kids are

1102
01:16:23.359 --> 01:16:28.039
into it, so it's interesting that
they kind of went that angle. I

1103
01:16:28.159 --> 01:16:31.199
know that was Bigo Mortenson for Lord
of the Rings. He didn't know truly

1104
01:16:31.199 --> 01:16:34.479
what it was and what was being
offered to him. His kids basically told

1105
01:16:34.520 --> 01:16:40.920
him, if you don't do this, don't come home. It was kind

1106
01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:44.479
of yeah, I saw something for
that years ago, but he wasn't totally

1107
01:16:44.479 --> 01:16:46.199
sure what was on the plate,
and then when his kids told him what

1108
01:16:46.199 --> 01:16:48.319
it was, he's like, oh, yeah, I'm doing this. That's

1109
01:16:48.359 --> 01:16:54.079
funny. The only instant second thing
of where I would ask an actor to

1110
01:16:54.279 --> 01:16:58.960
just look a little bit more would
have been tummy Lee Jones's tooth face and

1111
01:17:00.159 --> 01:17:02.760
which one was that Batman forever?
Yeah, I think so. I know

1112
01:17:03.079 --> 01:17:05.720
he hadn't said something about like,
well, my kids are really into it,

1113
01:17:05.800 --> 01:17:10.359
so so I did it if they
could have just given him a few

1114
01:17:10.399 --> 01:17:16.199
episodes of Richard mull as two faced
Harvey in the animated series. I think

1115
01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:20.520
that would have gotten a lot a
lot more attraction for me. But yeah,

1116
01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:25.199
anyway, it's it's funny how some
of these big actors who fall into

1117
01:17:25.239 --> 01:17:29.680
these small roles turn out to be
the most iconic and epic roles that they

1118
01:17:29.680 --> 01:17:31.560
ever did. I mean, look
at Alec Ginnis with obi Wan Kenobe.

1119
01:17:31.760 --> 01:17:34.239
You know the same thing. You
know, he had this big body of

1120
01:17:34.239 --> 01:17:39.199
work and didn't really want to do
this obi Wan Kenobi, didn't know anything

1121
01:17:39.239 --> 01:17:43.279
about it and just seem, you
know, a science fiction movie, small

1122
01:17:43.439 --> 01:17:45.880
budget. But look what it's done
for him. If he only could see

1123
01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:51.239
today what it's done, you know
what how iconic he is known for Obi

1124
01:17:51.239 --> 01:17:56.279
Wan Kenobi, Sat McDonald Pleantz's Doctor
Loomis. It's just it's funny how some

1125
01:17:56.319 --> 01:18:01.000
of these big actors has fall into
these roles and they're huge full and clearly

1126
01:18:01.039 --> 01:18:05.479
Donald liked it because he came back
a few more times to play the role.

1127
01:18:06.079 --> 01:18:09.279
Um, you know, and it's
so iconic for us that you know,

1128
01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:13.399
they even had some might be him
and Halloween Hills in that flashback scene

1129
01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:16.159
so you know, we all love
Loomis and we all love Donald plus there's

1130
01:18:16.159 --> 01:18:18.880
no doubt about that. Yeah.
So yeah, I mean you talk about

1131
01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:24.359
what is. I can't imagine anybody
other than Academy Award winner Jimmy the Curtis

1132
01:18:24.399 --> 01:18:29.039
being Laurie. And I found a
quote where she was talking to Collider in

1133
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:32.880
twenty eighteen about her return and who
she saw Laurie being. In nineteen seventy

1134
01:18:32.920 --> 01:18:38.840
eight, she said, Laurie isn't
a badass. She's smart and she's survived,

1135
01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:43.560
and in that she's badass. Her
poking Michael with the hangar was just

1136
01:18:43.640 --> 01:18:46.800
an instinct. Laurie was strong because
she was smart. Education, I think

1137
01:18:46.920 --> 01:18:50.560
gives you strength. It's not muscles, it's brains. It's tricky because we've

1138
01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:55.439
turned to women, We've turned strong
women into superhero women, and that isn't

1139
01:18:55.479 --> 01:18:59.119
what makes women strong. We're about
We're not talking about physical strength. We're

1140
01:18:59.119 --> 01:19:03.359
talking about intel and while and all
the beautiful things smart that makes smart women

1141
01:19:03.399 --> 01:19:09.279
so dynamic. So I'm hoping to
fight against becoming too much badass and keeping

1142
01:19:09.319 --> 01:19:13.239
the integrity of her intelligence, intelligence
that I've brought to this piece. I

1143
01:19:13.359 --> 01:19:15.560
fought for that That's one of the
things that I really appreciated in the twenty

1144
01:19:15.560 --> 01:19:20.319
eighteen version that carried through. It
was like she kind of did have a

1145
01:19:20.359 --> 01:19:25.680
little bit of a Sarah Connor vibe. Yeah, and that she had like

1146
01:19:25.720 --> 01:19:29.880
all these defenses and was training with
weapons and whatnot, but not or she's

1147
01:19:29.920 --> 01:19:33.159
just trying to be smart about it
and protect her family. And I think

1148
01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:38.199
that's one of the really cool things
about her character Laurie in the nineteen seventy

1149
01:19:38.199 --> 01:19:45.119
eight version is that she's she's fighting
back, and I think she's showing people

1150
01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:47.800
that they can fight back in these
kind of situations and defend themselves without knowing

1151
01:19:47.840 --> 01:19:53.439
like karate or having telekinesis or anything
else like that. So I think I

1152
01:19:53.439 --> 01:19:57.760
think it's really well done. Yeah, absolutely really well, all right,

1153
01:19:57.840 --> 01:20:01.000
let's go do the rewind. I
know we've already mentioned some of our favorite

1154
01:20:01.039 --> 01:20:06.640
scenes. Chad favorite scene from the
movie, favorite scene. Gosh, um,

1155
01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:10.760
there's of course, there's so many, it's it's hard to pick one.

1156
01:20:13.000 --> 01:20:16.600
I am a big fan of um. We talked about it earlier.

1157
01:20:17.039 --> 01:20:20.439
Laurie's trying to open the door,
realizes she doesn't have the keys, and

1158
01:20:20.640 --> 01:20:26.000
Michael is just slowly sauntering across the
street, giving her a lot of time

1159
01:20:26.039 --> 01:20:28.840
to think about it. And I
think that's the first one that comes to

1160
01:20:28.920 --> 01:20:32.439
mind that really stands out. And
then there's one other scene and it probably

1161
01:20:32.439 --> 01:20:36.960
didn't get talked too much about,
and in seventy eight, I'm not sure

1162
01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:41.520
how this affected audience is now it's
kind of the norm, But I think

1163
01:20:41.560 --> 01:20:46.479
back then when when Loomas pulls up
and finds that mechanics truck on the side

1164
01:20:46.479 --> 01:20:49.319
of the road, and then the
hospital gowns hanging in the door and on

1165
01:20:49.359 --> 01:20:54.000
the tree and stuff, and he
realized Michael did this, and then that

1166
01:20:54.079 --> 01:20:57.880
the camera pans out and see the
guy dead land in the weeds, ye

1167
01:20:58.199 --> 01:21:00.479
off the side, and I just
thought that was a powerful We didn't show

1168
01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:03.680
you what happened, but here's the
aftermath kind of thing, And those those

1169
01:21:03.720 --> 01:21:08.479
two scenes are probably what's stuck with
me. Great choices, Great choices.

1170
01:21:08.479 --> 01:21:13.720
Scott m Annie in the kitchen,
passing the door three times. So there's

1171
01:21:13.720 --> 01:21:16.520
a moment when she's standing in front
of an open door. She walks to

1172
01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:19.960
the left and then you see him
standing in that space. She walks to

1173
01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:24.359
the right, and then he's gone, yeah, yeah, things like that

1174
01:21:24.399 --> 01:21:27.520
were just great effect. And it's
just kind of like is he or isn't

1175
01:21:27.560 --> 01:21:30.680
he there? And where is he? There was always kind of where is

1176
01:21:30.720 --> 01:21:33.039
the effect that they had in this
one. Yeah, and here here's another

1177
01:21:33.079 --> 01:21:38.640
example of Scott stealing my notes.
Um see, I do it first though,

1178
01:21:39.439 --> 01:21:42.840
that's my that's my method. But
but yeah, I mean, just

1179
01:21:42.880 --> 01:21:45.079
to go back to that, it
just throughout the movie on how we're paying

1180
01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:50.319
attention to a main character, We're
paying attention to somebody and in the background,

1181
01:21:50.520 --> 01:21:56.479
Michael appears and disappears unknown to the
main character. You know. Another

1182
01:21:56.479 --> 01:22:00.239
perfect example of that is when Loomis
was talking to Sheriff Brackett and and you

1183
01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:02.640
know, Louis is just looking around
and Michael was in the station wagon right

1184
01:22:02.640 --> 01:22:06.920
behind him and just goes and you
know, as as as Louis turns to

1185
01:22:06.920 --> 01:22:11.640
look in another direction, Michael goes
the other direction, just right behind him.

1186
01:22:11.920 --> 01:22:15.239
Yea. You know, I love
those kind of shots in this movie,

1187
01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:17.319
and they did it so much.
Even when Michael was behind the bush,

1188
01:22:17.439 --> 01:22:20.520
he came out in front of the
bush, you know, and Laurie

1189
01:22:20.560 --> 01:22:24.760
saw him and then he went behind
the bush. Even when he was in

1190
01:22:24.800 --> 01:22:28.920
the car and they said, hey, speed kills, you know, and

1191
01:22:28.920 --> 01:22:31.880
he slams on the brakes. You
know. I just love all those kind

1192
01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:35.720
of shots. That just adds to
the atmosphere of this movie. That Speeds

1193
01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:40.439
Killed moment sticks out, I think
a lot, because if you're in that

1194
01:22:40.560 --> 01:22:44.239
situation, because I think we've all
done this when you're yelling at somebody in

1195
01:22:44.279 --> 01:22:46.359
their car or something because they cut
you off or something, and we're like,

1196
01:22:46.399 --> 01:22:49.479
oh, nothing will happen if I
scream at him, and then they

1197
01:22:49.600 --> 01:22:56.279
slam the brakes. Yeah, sudden, those three girls standing on the sidewalk

1198
01:22:56.319 --> 01:22:59.479
went silent, yep yep, like
when he did that, And I thought

1199
01:22:59.479 --> 01:23:01.000
that was a strong moment. Yeah, that's a good one. It was,

1200
01:23:01.239 --> 01:23:04.319
especially since he kind of sits there
in hovers Yeah, kind of like

1201
01:23:04.359 --> 01:23:06.720
waiting for what's he going to do
next? Right, do you have no

1202
01:23:06.840 --> 01:23:13.600
idea? Then he shows up again? Yeah? Crazy, and you mentioning

1203
01:23:13.640 --> 01:23:17.319
that, um that idea of where
Louis is looking the wrong way on the

1204
01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:23.319
car drives past him. I'm kind
of surprised that Michael Myers Hide and Seek

1205
01:23:23.399 --> 01:23:28.279
Champion of nineteen seventy eight sooner,
like, if if Louis is this oblivious,

1206
01:23:28.319 --> 01:23:30.479
and he's this good at like,
you know, sneaking around. I

1207
01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:34.000
don't know what kind of like invisitive
invisibility powers that he has, but he

1208
01:23:34.079 --> 01:23:36.840
must have been just waiting for the
right moment. He was the master of

1209
01:23:36.880 --> 01:23:41.920
that. There's no doubt about it. All right, Well, let's talk

1210
01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:45.800
about the impact of this movie.
Um, we've already mentioned it. You

1211
01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:51.479
know, this movie is the created
the slasher genre. Um. You know,

1212
01:23:53.039 --> 01:23:56.479
we get Fright of the thirteenth because
of Halloween, you know, and

1213
01:23:56.520 --> 01:24:00.479
they've even said that because of the
success of Halloween, that's why, you

1214
01:24:00.520 --> 01:24:03.560
know they did Friday the thirteen.
So we have so much to think for

1215
01:24:03.640 --> 01:24:08.560
John Carpenter and his group who created
this movie. Because just like you,

1216
01:24:08.680 --> 01:24:12.039
Chaid, I'm a big Jason Vorhees
fan. Um, we wouldn't have got

1217
01:24:12.119 --> 01:24:16.119
that, that saga, that franchise
if we didn't have this, I agree.

1218
01:24:16.359 --> 01:24:20.640
Yeah, And even Cunningham came right
out and said I saw the success

1219
01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:26.000
of Halloween and I wanted to jump
in. Yeah. Yeah, he straight

1220
01:24:26.119 --> 01:24:28.960
up says it. That's can't It's
good. You can't blame him for that,

1221
01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:30.920
that's for sure, you know.
And then just what all that has

1222
01:24:30.960 --> 01:24:33.720
done throughout the years. I mean, you've got Friday the thirteenth, You've

1223
01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:38.359
got a Nightmare, Elm Street,
You've got Scream. You know, so

1224
01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:45.720
many things came from Halloween, huge
impact and John Carpenter himself for crying out

1225
01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:47.359
loud. You know, we didn't
even mention it, but in this movie

1226
01:24:47.399 --> 01:24:50.920
they're watching. Um, the original
of the Thing was The Thing from the

1227
01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:56.000
Other World. Yeah. Yeah,
which he goes and directs the Thing,

1228
01:24:56.640 --> 01:24:59.880
uh, you know in the eighties, which turned out to be a phenomenon

1229
01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:02.399
moving itself. You know, he
would go on to do a big Trouble

1230
01:25:02.399 --> 01:25:05.720
in Little China, which we talked
about in the limited series of nineteen eighty

1231
01:25:05.760 --> 01:25:11.760
six, you know, Escape from
New York Vampires. Um. You know,

1232
01:25:11.880 --> 01:25:15.720
the list goes on and on with
what John Carpenter in the impact he

1233
01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:19.680
had with Hollywood. Yeah, but
he was legend for sure. Thinking about

1234
01:25:19.720 --> 01:25:23.920
the other movie they show, Um, I wonder if there's another universe where

1235
01:25:23.960 --> 01:25:29.359
we have John Carpenter's Ripping Planet.
Oh yeah, i'd be interesting musae that

1236
01:25:29.359 --> 01:25:34.600
would be very interesting to study.
Kurt Wressell, that would have been awesome

1237
01:25:35.159 --> 01:25:39.640
cool. Yeah, but in the
music. You know, again, let's

1238
01:25:39.960 --> 01:25:44.119
talk about the impact that has had
on horror music, because you know,

1239
01:25:44.680 --> 01:25:46.880
you get a lot of generic stuff
and not to put it down the music

1240
01:25:46.920 --> 01:25:50.399
that came before this for horror movies, you don't put a lot of thought

1241
01:25:50.479 --> 01:25:55.079
into that kind of stuff. When
you're making a horror movie, you're making

1242
01:25:55.079 --> 01:26:00.600
a low budget. But John Carpenter
put so much into that that it turned

1243
01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:05.039
that movie into completely something else that
will never be forgotten. It has never

1244
01:26:05.159 --> 01:26:13.279
been forgotten. Yeah, yeah,
awesome. The music he put in there

1245
01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:16.319
made its stand out more than I
think it gets credit for. Absolutely.

1246
01:26:16.520 --> 01:26:19.960
Yeah, I sure did a right
to say. It's true that he had

1247
01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:25.079
like a not only we're getting like
a title character for a franchise of a

1248
01:26:25.079 --> 01:26:30.600
horror franchise. Let just be repetitive
there, but it gives a character a

1249
01:26:30.600 --> 01:26:34.640
theme song too, right. We
saw that with you know, Jason had

1250
01:26:34.680 --> 01:26:40.239
his own with the kind of uh, I'm not going to try to replicate

1251
01:26:40.279 --> 01:26:43.600
it, but you know what I'm
talking about, Yeah, yeah, right

1252
01:26:43.439 --> 01:26:46.199
right, and the Nightmare on the
Street having its own kind of theme.

1253
01:26:46.479 --> 01:26:50.279
Yeah, it does to hear those
notes and you know what's coming. Yeah,

1254
01:26:50.319 --> 01:26:55.359
absolutely, And it's just again,
thanks John Carpenter and thanks Halloween.

1255
01:26:55.399 --> 01:26:57.680
Forgiving. Is this the stuff that
we had in the eighties and on?

1256
01:26:58.520 --> 01:27:00.359
Yeah, you know, because they
wouldn't have it with out, you know

1257
01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:03.239
for sure? Chad, where do
you watch this movie yet? With the

1258
01:27:03.720 --> 01:27:08.439
original Halloween? Well? Yeah,
last night my living room? Nice?

1259
01:27:08.520 --> 01:27:11.840
But where where do I watch it? For? What? Services and things?

1260
01:27:11.880 --> 01:27:16.920
So, unbeknownst to me, my
DVD copy of Halloween that I bought

1261
01:27:17.039 --> 01:27:20.800
in twenty eighteen to have my now
wife watch it before we went to the

1262
01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:25.560
new one got lost in the move
and I didn't have it. So I

1263
01:27:25.600 --> 01:27:28.760
looked for it all over the house
last night to pop it in and had

1264
01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:33.039
to go to Prime to rent and
watch it. But I was very shocked.

1265
01:27:33.079 --> 01:27:36.840
I looked on Netflix and some other
services, it wasn't there. The

1266
01:27:38.199 --> 01:27:41.119
newer ones, four or five,
whatever you want from the eighties it's there,

1267
01:27:41.199 --> 01:27:45.520
but not the original. So I
only found it on Prime outside of

1268
01:27:45.560 --> 01:27:47.319
having a physical copy of it?
All right, Scott, what about you?

1269
01:27:48.119 --> 01:27:51.199
Yeah, I just I'm in a
similar kind of boat. I think

1270
01:27:51.239 --> 01:27:55.199
I'd say, you know, if
you have the means and the opportunity,

1271
01:27:55.359 --> 01:27:57.920
definitely get on a physical media because
this is probably when you're going to be

1272
01:27:57.920 --> 01:28:01.640
real watching at some point absolutely if
you're going digital obviously, you know,

1273
01:28:01.800 --> 01:28:04.760
paying for it on Prime is a
good idea so that you then have it.

1274
01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:11.720
I had to similarly resort to red
Box where it was playing for free

1275
01:28:11.760 --> 01:28:16.520
with ads, which I it's a
different experience, So maybe just buy it

1276
01:28:16.560 --> 01:28:20.159
on physical media or buy it on
private. Yeah. I've had so many

1277
01:28:20.239 --> 01:28:24.119
versions of Halloween on DVD because I
kept buying it when I kept bringing out

1278
01:28:24.159 --> 01:28:28.079
anniversaries. So I could probably give
you both one and I'll still be okay

1279
01:28:28.159 --> 01:28:30.399
to be honest with you, But
this is one of those movies that I

1280
01:28:30.399 --> 01:28:34.079
watched every Halloween. You know,
it's it's you know, it just goes

1281
01:28:34.079 --> 01:28:41.239
hand in hand with the October season
because I cannot get through without watching it,

1282
01:28:42.079 --> 01:28:45.199
you know. So I own own
a few physical copies of this movie.

1283
01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:49.239
All right, Well, um,
Chad, thank you so much for

1284
01:28:49.279 --> 01:28:54.039
joining us on this podcast. It
has been exactly what I thought it would

1285
01:28:54.079 --> 01:28:57.680
be a blast. Yeah, it
was fun. Yeah, thank you guys

1286
01:28:57.680 --> 01:29:01.039
for having me. This was absolutely
fun. I grew up well later in

1287
01:29:01.079 --> 01:29:04.159
life discovered this movie and I've loved
it sense and in the same way,

1288
01:29:04.199 --> 01:29:09.319
every October it finds its way onto
my screen. Absolutely, so I know

1289
01:29:09.359 --> 01:29:12.279
you do a lot of music jetor
is there anywhere anybody can find your music

1290
01:29:12.359 --> 01:29:15.640
or anything like that? Well,
right now on your movie. Oh yeah,

1291
01:29:15.680 --> 01:29:21.159
for the soundtrack for sure, I
will probably shock you. Other than

1292
01:29:21.199 --> 01:29:26.279
the soundtrack kind of stuff I like
to do on keyboards, Eye Front a

1293
01:29:26.359 --> 01:29:30.159
death metal band, oh tell us
more also I do so. I sing

1294
01:29:30.279 --> 01:29:34.560
for a group called Dysomnia and still
based in Ohio, so I play up

1295
01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:39.199
there when I come back and visit. We're actually playing on April fifteenth,

1296
01:29:39.920 --> 01:29:43.880
Yeah, and in Middletown. But
yeah, I've still I've been in metal

1297
01:29:43.920 --> 01:29:46.199
bands since around the year two thousand. It's been something hard for me to

1298
01:29:46.239 --> 01:29:50.079
walk away. I just like the
harder, aggressive, fun, headbanger music,

1299
01:29:50.119 --> 01:29:55.319
and that led me into movie soundtracks, and I took piano lessons as

1300
01:29:55.359 --> 01:29:59.239
a kid, and just music has
always been a big part of my life.

1301
01:29:59.279 --> 01:30:05.279
So the soundtrack thing came more so
when I got into going to school

1302
01:30:05.319 --> 01:30:10.319
for learning the cameras and those kind
of things, and then I realized how

1303
01:30:10.359 --> 01:30:13.920
important music was. And then the
digital age was on us, and my

1304
01:30:14.039 --> 01:30:17.680
keyboard could be almost anything at this
point. Yeah, so then yeah,

1305
01:30:17.760 --> 01:30:26.119
so I'm either headbanging or writing soundtracks. That's awesome. My love it when

1306
01:30:26.159 --> 01:30:29.520
you do a really good job,
you know, because I was blown away

1307
01:30:29.560 --> 01:30:31.960
when you gave me the score.
I was like, wow, that was

1308
01:30:32.079 --> 01:30:36.439
very impressive. So I'm glad you're
happy with it. I hated that it

1309
01:30:36.439 --> 01:30:40.840
took so long. I had so
many things going on and hurricane and shows

1310
01:30:41.439 --> 01:30:44.600
right before the date. That's like, of course it does. Yeah,

1311
01:30:45.239 --> 01:30:47.119
yeah, you did, good man. I can't wait to hear your next

1312
01:30:47.159 --> 01:30:51.279
one because we've got another project we're
doing with mister Vorhees this summer, so

1313
01:30:51.399 --> 01:30:55.000
we'll be looking forward to that in
the fall. Yes, all right,

1314
01:30:55.039 --> 01:30:58.439
Well, I want to thank all
of our listeners. If you want to

1315
01:30:58.439 --> 01:31:00.439
answer some of the questions we ask
in the podcast, go leave a comment.

1316
01:31:00.840 --> 01:31:03.600
You know, what is your favorite
horror series or what is your favorite

1317
01:31:03.600 --> 01:31:08.520
scene in Halloween. We'd love to
hear from you. So coming up next

1318
01:31:08.560 --> 01:31:13.560
for a film by is James Gunn
super Scott. What's up next for us?

1319
01:31:14.640 --> 01:31:17.000
Next thing we're gonna do is step
into the animated world with Ralph Backshee's

1320
01:31:17.119 --> 01:31:20.960
Lord of the Rings. Awesome.
Can't wait to talk to that. So

1321
01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:25.239
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1323
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1324
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1325
01:31:38.520 --> 01:31:41.800
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1326
01:31:41.840 --> 01:31:44.439
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